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use this for editing an HTML page?


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mjs
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May 28, 2003, 3:37 PM

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K, I'm either really dense here or I'm trying to do something with htmlArea that is more than it is intended for. I have an HTML page based on a template, and I'd like a user to be able to edit this page without logging in to the site. Will htmlArea work for this (what would the form action be?), or is this used primarily for posting content onto a separate page?


ehammond
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May 29, 2003, 6:57 AM

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Re: [mjs] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Could you be more specific about the scenario that you are working on? What are you trying to do? What do you mean by "without logging into the site"?

-- Eric H.


mjs
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May 30, 2003, 9:44 AM

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Re: [ehammond] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm currently using EditTag, a set of perl scripts, for giving some content editors the ability to edit their content via the browser. It works great; the page is changed on the server using an encrypted password embedded within the page. There is no data posting at all, so no form elements are needed. However, one of the limitations of EditTag is that the user either has to know HTML to change any text formatting, or else we restrict their ability to do so. When I first saw htmlArea, it appeared as though it would allow the same editing capabilities as EditTag, only with more formatting options. But without a form or any posting needed, can htmlArea do what I want it to do, which is allow editing of one page, rather than submitting data that would be added to a separate page?

I hope this is more clear; I would send you a URL but I'm working inside our firewall on a secure network.


ehammond
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May 31, 2003, 1:06 AM

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Re: [mjs] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I understand. Well, in short htmlArea by itself will solve part of your problem, but not all.

htmlArea is essentially a "client side" or "browser based" form element that on the face of things to exposes the user to a microsoft word like wysiwyg interface, while in truth with every keystroke it is creating and holding the corresponding HTML.

By itself htmlArea does not do anything with that HTML, it requires another "server side" program to do that... just like your Perl scripts. You could also use Active Server Pages, PHP, JSP, Java Servlets, or ColdFusion (or others) in place of Perl, but the point is, you need something on the server side to capture and process the HTML input sent from a web page containing an htmlArea.

I tried out the EditTag Demo at:

http://www.thebilberry.com/greg/edittag/

... and it seems clear that EditTag could be modified to use htmlArea instead of those plain text boxes that EditTag normally exposes. With that you would achieve your goal of making editing more accessible to your content editors. You should take note that some people have had trouble with pages containing more than 10 htmlAreas, so you might want to consult the Forum for more advice if you need to exceed that number on an EditTag page.

Hope this helps.

-- Eric H.


DerekM
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May 31, 2003, 6:59 AM

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Re: [ehammond] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

I use EditTag with HTMLArea daily, and it is a great combination.

I have a sample (not password-protected) at derekmacewen.com/htmlatest.html. Use the "edit page" link at the bottom left of the page to bring up the page in "edit" mode.

I have prepared an edittag Perl script with the necessary htmlarea mods. It was coded for version 1, but still works with version 2.x.
You can find the htmlarea version (drop-in replacement for the main EditTag Perl script) on the EditTag page, at the following link:
http://www.thebilberry.com/greg/edittag/dist/edittag_ww.pl

Feel free to email me at dmacewen@isn.net if you have any questions on the edittag/htmlarea script.

- Derek MacEwen


ehammond
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May 31, 2003, 10:07 PM

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Re: [DerekM] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Congrats on your implementation. At I took a peek at the sample at "derekmacewen.com/htmlatest.html"...

It beats the pants off of plain EditTags!

-- Eric H.


DerekM
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Jun 1, 2003, 8:09 AM

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Re: [ehammond] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks. I use EditTag for just about everything I do. Page Publisher from Interactivetools would appear to do much more than EditTag, for a reasonable price of $99, and also incorporates the HTMLArea editor "out of the box". In my case, I had so much work done with EditTag that making the (fairly minor) Perl code changes to incorporate HTMLArea was worth the trip.

I've also integrated HTMLArea with Newspro 3.8, a now-defunct news Article Manager (similar to Interactivetools' News Manager). The developer no longer supports the product (or its successor "Coranto"). I like it because it is free, has a number of add-ons to give it additional functionality, and I'm too busy to change to a new product. If anyone else is using Newspro 3.8 and wants to add the HTMLArea mods, they can contact me (dmacewen@isn.net).

- Derek MacEwen


Tzvook
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Jun 1, 2003, 4:39 PM

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Re: [DerekM] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi all, I just tryed to use edittag, but has some problems around the </TEXTAREA> tag - it don't get htmlraea so good out there - it has problems with the $name ...........

What was your solution to it ?

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DerekM
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Jun 1, 2003, 6:38 PM

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Re: [Tzvook] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Not sure what your problem is.
I would recommend that you get EditTag working completely without the modifications, and then apply the modified version of edittag.pl.

As the one on Greg's website is a little outdated, I have attached the version I am running at the moment.

If this version doesn't work, please give me the url of your test files, and I will see if I can figure it out.

- Derek MacEwen


(This post was edited by DerekM on Jun 1, 2003, 6:40 PM)
Attachments: edittag.pl (18.4 KB)


Tzvook
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Jun 2, 2003, 6:52 AM

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Re: [DerekM] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

10x man....... my edittag version was so........... old :-)
the whole code was different

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mjs
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Jun 2, 2003, 9:36 AM

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Re: [ehammond] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank you, Eric. For now I have convinced the users to stick to one font style and color, which makes EditTag perfect as it is, but since you said it can work in conjunction with htmlArea, I'll work on that when I get time. I appreciate your help!

Mary Jo


Catherine
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Jun 5, 2003, 12:22 AM

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Re: [mjs] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Is EditTag still available? I'd love to implement what y'all are talking about here, but I keep gettin a page cannot be displayed area when I click on the links to get EditTag.
Thanks!


mjs
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Jun 5, 2003, 11:31 AM

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Re: [Catherine] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

You're right -- I can't find EditTag on the Web any more, don't know what happened to author Billock. I've been using v1.1 successfully for a couple of years now so I haven't needed his support. I can help you out with it if you want, or you can check other online resources for other edit tools; I've seen lots of other scripts that work similarly, just haven't tried them.

Mary Jo


mjs
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Jun 5, 2003, 11:36 AM

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Re: [DerekM] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

K, I'm now seeing all the posts here (duh) ... Derek, do you still have your test site working? (derekmacewen.com/htmlatest.html) I tried to edit the page to see how you have EditTag and htmlArea working together but got "page cannot be found" error.

MJ


Catherine
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Jun 5, 2003, 1:32 PM

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Re: [mjs] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Any suggestions you have would be very much appreciated. And I played with Derek's test page last night and it worked beautifully.


DerekM
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Jun 5, 2003, 2:49 PM

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Re: [Catherine] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

The 'bilberry.com' site seems to be inoperable at the moment. It's happened before. I'm sure it will be back.

You can also download it here:

http://www.webdesignwisdom.com/xyz/edittagfiles.zip

The guy at Webdesignwisdom also has info on using EditTag, HTMLArea, and another product to "Manage Your Website Content In Real Time Using Only Your Browser"

Goto:

http://www.active-ebuilder.com/111202.html


- Derek MacEwen


(This post was edited by DerekM on Jun 5, 2003, 2:56 PM)


DerekM
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Jun 5, 2003, 2:52 PM

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Site's still working

More direct link: http://www.isn.net/~derekm/htmlatest.html

- Derek


mjs
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Jun 5, 2003, 2:56 PM

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Re: [DerekM] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks, Derek, I went to another machine outside our firewall and it worked fine!

MJ


Catherine
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Jun 5, 2003, 7:49 PM

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Re: [DerekM] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for the links Derek!


esek
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Jun 9, 2003, 10:50 PM

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Re: [DerekM] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

Derek,

Does your scripts support Windows 2000 server or it is just for UNIX/LINUX server only.

I have problem when i run the scripts on Windows platform. When i try to save the changes i made, this error comes out :Parse script could not open file ../../wwwroot/edittag/test.html.

Please help.

Thanks.


DerekM
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Jun 11, 2003, 5:21 AM

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Re: [esek] use this for editing an HTML page? [In reply to] Can't Post

My mods to EditTag are to the edittag.pl script only. I have made no changes to the parsescript.pl script. You could obtain support from the script's author, Greg Billock. A supported version is $50.

As far as I know, the script should work on a Windows 2000 server without any problems. You would have to change the directory path to comply with Windows 2000 conventions.

 
 
 


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